Checking the Mail

Wheel full 70pxLet’s take a look at the comments on the first couple of posts.

b2b mailbox road

I plan to respond to everyone who comments, but will plan to do it every so often in a post like this instead of on the fly.  That said, rules are made to be broken.

On April 12th, my friend and temporal pony rider Kyle Kiernan wrote

My experience in Florida suggests you consider bending your route at about Tallahassee southward to the US98 on the coast and follow that all the way to Pensacola etc. Some excellent coastal scenery and small towns along that way.

As it stands your route passes within 2 (unit of distance) from my house. Looking forward to your journey.

That’s a definite alternate possibility, Kyle.  I’m making a list of those, and will hope to get more feedback once I start (probably the end of this week) contacting local clubs and describing my plans.  One thing that will happen for sure, though, is that we’ll meet up for a bit as I am in your neighborhood.

The next day, I heard from another friend from the ‘net: Mimeytown.

I will second that recommendation on U.S. 98, also highly recommend taking a day and riding the St. Marks Trail–perfect route to take to get to U.S. 98.

In Jacksonville I would say take Beach Boulevard instead of Atlantic Boulevard, highly recommend you start your trip on a Sunday morning at about 7:15 a.m.

The St. Marks Trail may well seal the deal on that re-route onto US 98.  I have tried hard to incorporate substantial sections of rail-trails into the route all the way across the country and will make them the subject of a future post.  My main criteria for including a rail-trail stretch is that the trail be paved or surfaced in crushed gravel suitable for road bike tires.  I have checked out a few trails in the west that at first glance looked perfect and, on looking more closely, found out that they were surfaced with graded ballast.  That just won’t work.

Thanks too for the tip about traffic in Jacksonville- I have already changed that stretch after thinking about having the first day of the ride being so totally urban.  The new routing is here [linkie].

Later on the 13th I heard from my friend Former Commenter:

David-

You’re definitely passing within 1/2 mile of my location!

How about a contact email address associated with this trip for those who don’t want to share specific information online for one reason or another?

Another stop that will definitely be made.

The contact address is being set up as this is written.  Something glitched the first time I tried to do it, and a WordPress “Happiness Engineer” is working on it.  Great suggestion!

UPDATE:  To email me (and just me) please use info@b2bbiketrip.com

Mimeytown stopped back by on the 13th to remark:

David if you are planing to camp while crossing North Florida, I would suggest using standard “bear protocols”.
http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Wildlife-Officials-Florida-Bears-Abundant-Totaling-4350-373406651.html

That’s excellent advice anywhere in bear country, and comes as second nature to an Alaskan.  I had a vague recollection of there being bears in Florida- the link is good info, as I plan to camp the first couple of nights out.  I assume once I reach the GC beaches the bear count falls off pretty significantly.

After almost a month’s gap following my first post here, everything got rolling again.  Another friend (heck, we’re all friends here- let’s just assume that from this point even if you are a complete stranger up to this point), Wisconsin Bound, lamented yesterday:

Am I missing a link to the various segments of your ride? I think I’ve clicked everything clickable.

I probably missed setting up a link somewhere- I’ll go back and check.  In the meantime, any weblink I create from this point will be followed with the word “[linkie]” just to make things for sure.  WB, the “Routes” index page of my Ride with GPS page is here [linkie].

After I posted the specs for the bike later on the 10th, Jeanette Victoria observed:

Ouch I’ve never spent more than a $1000.00 for a bike (that was 15 years ago). I’m been out of the game for over a decade so I really can’t help you, also I preferred the hybrid bikes with fatter tires.

I was actually fairly surprised.  I’ve been hearing way too much about $5,000 bikes recently.  This bike only costs just under twice what my first car- a 1973 AMC Gremlin- cost.

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Fatter tires?  What’s with the recent trend of mounting motorcycle tires on bicycles?  I’m seeing them everywhere but where they should be- on the beach.

Charles Hudson showed up on the 10th and said:

It sounds like you might be planning to break it in on the journey. Maybe your builder can point out a few good shops along the way to get the 200 mile, 600 mile, 1000 mile, etc. adjustments. You could communicate with those shops in advance, emailing them your bike components, so that they will be expecting you and knowing what to do when you show up.

More excellent advice.  One of the things I’m doing in detailing my maps/cue sheets is to note the location of every bicycle shop I can find within a reasonable distance of the route.  Sending the info in advance though- a brilliant idea.

Kyle Kiernan stopped back in today with more US 98 suggestions:

Good idea moving your route to follow Business 98 through Panama City. Suggest at mile 13 you continue to stay on 98 which will take you through the town of St. Andrews. Nice park with a huge live oak in it (the Old Sentry), nice little main street. you can either follow Beck Ave up to 98 where it bends up to 18th street then head West or take back roads from the light at 15th street and rejoin 98 at the stoplight at Michigan Avenue.

After crossing the big bridge, there is a branching of Front Beach Road from 98 which will shortly lead you to Bay Street Deli if you like good bagels and its easy to get back on 98 from there. or you can take Front Beach Road along the beach all the way to Inlet Beach and rejoin 98 there.

you can contact me at kyle_kiernan at excite.com if you have any questions.

That’s the kind of info that will take this endeavor way beyond just being a ride (a long, long ride, heh!) from Point A to Point B to being a richly detailed journey.  Thanks so much, Kyle and everyone, for making it so.

US 98 Sign

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spares?
bad idea to do without the special seat unless you are planning significant pre-conditioning.
0$ taxes? What are those going to turn out to be? and if the invoice is true how does this escape taxes?

I’ve had the shop add an extra tire, several extra spokes and two tubes.  I’d really appreciate input as far as what other folks feel like are essential spares beyond that.  Bike shops are few and far between out west.

As far as the seat goes, Kyle, I’ll be miserable in the short term, but better off over the course of the ride.  As I’ve noted elsewhere, I should be kicked in the ass for the weight I’ve put on over the years.  This should teach it a lesson.

Taxes?  Heh!  I’m an Alaskan.  We don’t pay no steenkin’ taxes.  Alaskans have been exempt in Washington state, and I thought also Oregon, from state and local sales taxes as long as I have lived there.  It appears, though, that Oregon may not have a sales tax that applies to this purchase.  Wow- and here I thought I was special.

Loren, who appears to be a new friend (remember- rules are made to be broken), came by a bit ago and opined:

Looks like they are building some good, strong wheels for this. 36 spoke Velocity rims. Also looks like they are selling you 4 extra spokes, fwiw. Looks like a good solid build. I don’t see any of the bike parts that look like they are cheaping out on you. OTOH, I don’t see any places where they are obviously over spec-ing the componentry.

I think there is no tax, as this is Oregon, and I think they are one of the states without a sales tax.

Thanks!  I really had a good feeling about Darrin and Bike Gallery [linkie] generally.  That’s great to hear- the wheels were his recommendation.  Although I will add some spokes to those four- my wife Heather and I broke eight spokes all at once on an invisible bump along US 101 while riding the Oregon Coast on our Burley tandem in the late 90s.  We were so glad we had 10 with us.

Thanks too for the info about the taxes.  You learn something every day.

Loren then came back by a bit ago:

Oh, WRT to the saddle, bike shorts are designed as a part of the overall system. I find the Pactimo brand to be comfortable, but there are others such as Pearl Isumi, Castelli. Assos are supposed to be the freaking bomb, but are out of my price range and I have never worn any. There are companies that make a bike short under-short to give you the padding where you need it, while letting you wear street clothes over them. A product known as Chamois Butter is also a life saver of your nether regions, particularly if you are not used to as much time on the saddle as you are planning.

My thinking exactly.  My problem with biking clothing, which I haven’t yet begun to search for, is that I’m a big, big guy.  Fifty-two inch/132 cm waist, 360 pounds/163 kg big.  Shame on me.  I am praying that there is a manufacturer out there that recognizes that not everyone who rides a bike weighs 150 pounds/68 kg.  Once again, please make any recommendations you think are appropriate.

I’ll close this out with a PM from my former law partner and all around great guy Darin Goff, who is a go-to bicycling guy.  I reached out to him and a couple of other folks on facebook concerning my proposed choice of bikes for the ride and received the following back from him:

Great choice on the Disc Trucker.  You’re getting a lot of bike for the money.
Some of this stuff I don’t know by part number so I’m kind of guessing.
Great choice on rims and tires.  I run the Marathon Supreme.  It is.  Durable and actually quite fast.  I had new wheels built for my randonneuse this spring–They are the A23 “mini Dyads.”  I like them.
Pleased to see dyno lighting in your build.  I have dynamo lighting but my dyno is a Schmidt Son Deluxe.  The Son is preferred by my randonneuring buddies but they ride 24 hours at a time and having the light fail is unacceptable.  I have heard good and bad about Shutter Precision dynos, enough bad that I would stay away. I don’t know anyone who uses the Shimano but Peter White sells it and he usually don’t sell junk, although you have to pay for his opinion as well.
My headlight is a Busch & Miller Luxos U which has a handlebar mounted on/off/USB port.  I run the light day or night.  The beam is amazing and adjusts when you slow down to cover more area on the side.  I don’t notice a change in efficiency whether the dyno is on or off.  I have not tried to charge a USB device with it.   I also have a Busch & Miller toplight for the rear which pulses when you slow down and is very noticeable.  My only complaint about the Luxos is it is large and retro looking, but the performance is superb.  Another choice would be Edulux.  Supernova obviously makes killer lights and if you’ve researched them thoroughly then don’t worry about it.  Otherwise the Busch & Miller light might offer an alternative to the Supernovas and “the Plug” (I can’t run the Plug because I have a threaded headset).  There can be issues running headlights, tail lights and USB charging at the same time on these systems.  I hear a lot of complaints about people trying to run the GPS and then they switch on the light and the GPS goes off.
Consider a Brooks B17 saddle.  Most of the randonneurs I know ride on it or a variation of it.  I have ridden on my two B17s for ten years.  That’s ten years, commuting, training, multiple metric centuries, centuries and a 200km brevet without a saddle sore.
Fenders keep you and the bike clean and dry  on wet roads after it rains but don’t do shit while its actually raining.  Drink coffee while it rains (you are taking an Aeropress, right?).  SKS Longboards are cheap and provide maximum coverage when you hit the road while the road is still wet.
Rear cassette looks like the max spread which is good.  What size chain rings on the cranks?  I’d consider a 22 inner ring but a 24 might do.  A lot of “touring” cranksets are really geared too high for fully loaded touring. Check out Bruce Gordon’s rants on this subject.
The back rack is a bontrager?  Is it welded chromoly or aluminium?  I’m partial to the Surly, Tubus and Nitto racks which are chromoly and stronger, but are more expensive.  I’ve seen several aluminum trek racks fail.  The Surly’s are noticeably heavier than most as well.  Tubus are bullet proof and elegant.  Nitto are brazed by samurai sword makers and are too expensive unless you are trying to make your bike look like French art.
Good choice on bags.  I have Ortliebs.
With those thoughts out there, nothing wrong with this bike at all.  Have a good ride!
I am not worthy.  Darin, thanks for the time you have put into getting back to me.  Fenders!  How could I have forgotten?  This will give me a lot to talk about with Darrin tomorrow when I head into Portland.  Thanks so much.
Wheel full 70pxAnyway, very long post.  Back with the promised to-dos, maybe tonight, but for sure tomorrow.
David Edgren

6 thoughts on “Checking the Mail

  1. No state sales tax in Oregon, period. Not sure about the Portland metro area.

    My cycling days are long over, but I gather Phil Wood hubs are still highly regarded.
    Bears in Wyoming aren’t good, and from driving, you’ll see lots of headwinds from Kansas on west. If it were me, I’d go in the other direction, but I’m still remembering the Hubris 100 when I started a ride mid afternoon and got home late at night. Second half was all upwind.

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  2. Re the Florida bears, you will be in bear country from about five miles west of I-295 until you hit Mobile. I remember seeing a small black bear off of Transmitter Rd about 3 miles east of US 231 back in 1998–that is in Bay county just outside the city limits of Panama City Beach.

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  3. Oops, I think Noscript ate my previous.

    I gather Phil Wood hubs are still considered really good. I see they’re field servicable, and as of too many years ago, they used standard bearings.

    I’d do a west-east ride, but I hate upwind riding. One ride I did, sticks in memory as the Hubris 100. The first 50 miles were downwind, and I made good time despite a mid afternoon start. Got home late at night, because the wind was still going. Driving in Nebraska and Wyoming tells me you get lots of wind, much of it west-to-east. Should make the descents in the west more fun, though.

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  4. Dave, don’t know exactly what your route is, but Route 41 run all the way from Gary indiana to the Everglades, it runs through small towns and civilization, probably “Away” from bears, and should you encounter an emergency, close enough to get immediate help if needed. Just a thought

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  5. Let me know where you end up and post a pic of your build. I did not get into hubs but I second what others have said about Phil Wood as the last word in touring hubs. White Industries are very good as well. That said, I wouldn’t hesitate to set off on XT hubs.

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  6. A couple of thoughts on Riding While Fat (I have the tee-shirt, XXL, alas). Most of my fat-riding is from the late 80s, early 90s, but I’m pretty sure it’s still applicable.

    On bike shorts, lycra is your friend. As I recall, I found a fair amount in extra-huge sizes from both Bike Nashbar and REI coop. There’s a lot of stretch, and assuming you don’t mind the odd looks, it works fairly well.

    Try to build up your legs a bit. I got serious about bike riding in the hills after losing weight (found it again, sigh) and the local hills were tough a few times. Your east-to-west route now makes a lot of sense. in light of that. By the time you hit the rollers and the serious stuff, you should be in pretty good shape.

    I had two bikes, a Rockhopper mountain bike, and a Cannondale road bike. I had few problems with the wheels in the Rockhopper, no matter what my weight, but the C’dale rims failed at the spokes. I didn’t ride the road bike much, and was weighing about 190 pounds when the rims died, but they were overstressed when I was at 300-350. Not sure how one prepares for this, but I’m assuming you’ll have the most bulletproof rims available. When I saw what was going on, I retrued the wheel as best as I could and limped home from work. 12 scary miles. As usual, it was the rear, while the front was fine. I had a good shop and built a new wheel. If you’re considering a trailer, spares for this might be a good idea.

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